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RCA decision reprehensible

— We find your recent decision to switch from a position of neutrality regarding YMCA plans for Drakes Landing to be reprehensible. We read with disgust your recent full throated support of YMCA plans to build a 100,000 square foot facility right in the path of the entrance to Radisson that we must travel several times each and every day...obviously most of you do not live in or travel through that section of our community. We, like so many other of our neighbors can’t help but wonder at the sudden change from being neutral to full support. So we must now question the ethics and integrity of the entire Radisson Board of Directors, when such a change takes place so “conveniently” shortly after a director from the YMCA’s Board of Director’s buys and moves in as a “next door neighbor” to one of the Radisson directors. Do you actually believe that everyone is stupid or naïve enough to believe that it’s all just a coincidence?

When we purchased our home in Radisson six years ago, we assure you with 100 percent certainty that had there been a 100,000 square foot YMCA sticking out like a sore thumb on the corner of Drakes Landing and Route 31, we would not have considered for even a moment buying a home here. Now, after six years, the very organization (Radisson Board of Directors) we had every right to believe was there to protect our interests and home value, makes a sudden unilateral decision to do otherwise. All the families who purchased homes and live here did so without a YMCA in existence. In other words, the lack of a close by YMCA had no impact on their home buying decisions, so why do you now think for a moment that it is a positive reason for moving into Radisson? We believe just the opposite - that a huge unsightly YMCA facility at the Drakes Landing entrance along with the resultant dramatic increase in traffic, will do nothing but decrease the value of our home and upset our daily lives.

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bviller 3 years ago

Thank you so much for sharing your thoughts and feelings regarding the proposed YMCA on Drakes Landing. I and so many others truly share your feelings. The RCA BOD is putting their own agenda ahead of their residents wishes and trying to play it off that it is the wish of the majority when that is not true. The RCA always whines about not having enough money and yet they are willing to sacrifice residential land, homes that would be paying assessment fees, to put a Y that will not (nor property taxes either for that matter). Is it really so important to the RCA, that it justifies the suffering of it's residents that have already clearly expressed their opinion in opposition?? Truly reprehensible and I am disgusted to admit that I live in Radisson, thanks to the RCA.

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Bvillemom 3 years ago

James and Kathryn, Thank you for taking the time to write exactly what I wanted to say! I was wondering the same exact things about the RCA all of a sudden backing the YMCA. The money backing JAM is the money supporting the Y so it is most likely who was offering the RCA some sweet deal. Maybe a new pool since the money we pay as Radisson residents doesn't seem to be enough to cover professional care for our amenities. I am sickened by all of the corruption! I would love a YMCA too but not on Drakes Landing. Lysander has done nothing but make Radisson residents look like the bad guys through the years. The YMCA is just another example.

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skip 3 years ago

Wow, a common theme, the RCA sucks!!!!

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familiesforreal 3 years ago

James, Kathryn, great letter. The lies that have come from the YMCA have been bad enough, and now the RCA. The very document the RCA is supposed to enforce, they have abandoned for their own agenda. Everyone thinks it is just the 50 or so houses in Oak Brook that is upset with the YMCA on the corner of Drakes, but they have failed to acknowledge the almost 900 signatures on petetions from all over Radisson. The petitions that residents had to fill out, put a stamp on and mail back in. Instead they use a "questionable " survey done by a very active supporter of the Y. (The company he owns did the survey). Another conflict of interest, back room deal just like the JAM promises and the Radisson neighbors. (RCA board president and YMCA executive director). Thanks for taking the time to write.

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Radres 2 years, 11 months ago

It is unfortunate that the "900 signatures" you worked so hard for came right after the "familiesforreal" propoganda was shoved in resident's mailboxes and local media was flooded with untruths. I got one of your fliers in my mailbox back then....it mentioned untruths like "Y members will have full use of our walking paths and amenities" and "heavy traffic on Drakes will be very dangerous to our children". So, if propoganda was spread like "If the Y is built all Radisson residents will get free membership and Radisson will no longer collect amenities fees from any residents" you can bet 1000 signatures could easily be collected (from areas other than Oak Brook) in Radisson that would fully support the Y on Drakes. Ya see, lies = votes....any politician knows that all too well, so lets be real with the "900 votes" talk.

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allstars23 3 years ago

Am I missing something? What does the JAM team have to do with the YMCA? They have just been voted in and haven't done anything yet, correct? Why are we assuming they have back room deals and dirty politics? If they accepted money for their campaign, that does not explicitly mean that they are under obligation to do whatever the donor wants. Please explain the negativity to a brand new leadership team that might work a lot differently than what we have been used to. If you are upset with the RCA, stay on task, why bring JAM into it?

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dianemryan 2 years, 11 months ago

At the very beginning of JAM's campaining, they said they were in favor of putting the Y in Radisson. If it weren't for that issue, I would have voted for them.

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Radres 2 years, 11 months ago

fortunately JAM didn't need to count on your ignorant vote.

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turgid 3 years ago

Allstar - Did Lysander trade one clique for another clique with the same operating style? JAM will have to prove themselves to their skeptics. I hope they will act differently. Everyone is watching. The RCA board takes actions that not all Radisson residents like when they adopt new rules, etc. Right? So why can't they take a position on the Y since a majority of the Radisson residents want the Y. Granted, there are some that do not want it. Not sure of the total number of people living in Radison but it is more than 1800 which would mean more than 900 didn't sign the petition. All the polls (unscientific) show the same thing when the entire northwest area is polled. 80/20 somewhere else. Just sayin.

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Rodeforprogress 3 years ago

If you go by the numbers, Turgid, I got a count of 900 against and only about 530 for it. Depending on how you cut the 64% that said they will pay to use the Y from the people that wanted the Y, even on the high end, you only come up with 386 people that want to pay to belong to the Y. Granted, neither poll can be considered accurate. I do not know if they called 604 people in Lysander, or if they called people that would come from areas they expect to draw members from, which would include the NW part of Clay. As for the RCA Board offering an opinion, they should stay out of it. They have had plenty of time to do a poll of their residents, and get an accurate count of the people that want/do not want a 98,000 s.f. facility on that corner. I believe, in my opinion, 100% of people in Radisson would love a Y. Just not that size, nor on the residential side of Radisson. To compare Aspen House and the pool to the Y is like comparing apples to oranges. The RCA Board can spend money on studies to look at buying a golf course, they could have put a survey out about support for the Y, and had residents respond to it.

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billw 3 years ago

survey DON't work. Radisson struggles to get 100 people to vote in the board elections even though there are 1500 homes with thousands of residents. Due to the Oak Brook Gang propoganda and the area of Oak Brook really being the only part of Radisson to care one way or the other about the Y location any "survey results" would be horribly skewed and misleading.

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allstars23 3 years ago

Skeptics are one thing, I understand that, but I don't understand assuming and stating publicly that new leadership will continue by way of the old. That kind of negativity breeds doom...and we have had enough doom. My point was, give them a chance and keep an open mind and we just might have some progress. Yes, time will tell.

Put the Y up on Rt. 48 and Lamson Road and run a water line in and kill two birds with one stone. I just heard the angels sing.

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billw 3 years ago

I find it laughable that these letters keep showing up. SAY WHAT YOU MEAN, which is NIMBY!!!!!! It is arrogant and condescending for people that made an unwise decision to throw their opinion out thee as if they are speaking for a majority of Radisson. Face it, if the proposed Y was going to go on Willett in the backyards of close-by apartments or townhouses or near the tennis courts or even near Whisper Ridge not a SINGLE person from the Oak Brook Gang would care at all. It is all about ME ME ME, not about "the community" the Kocik's claim to care so much about. The Kocik's still would have bought on Oak Brook if the Y was built on Willett despite their claim that "we would have never..." YOUR BEEF is with your builder, not the RCA, not Radisson in general, not Lysander.....if your builde made a promise to you that the VACANT land near your home was going to be used for a specific purpose then either he or you are gullible. Vacant land changes zoning and use often depending on the economic climate and demand. To think that there is a guarantee of what will be built on vacant land is ignorant. As for the diss of the RCA and what homeowners are and aren't allowed to do, again, YOU chose to live in Radisson and abide by the rules and building the Y at Rt 31 and Drakes is not against the rules. Perhaps if the Oak Brook Gang just came out and said NIMBY instead of spending the last 2 years trying to deceive the public and Radisson into thinking the Y is some monster with plans to destroy Radisson and put the community in danger and result in Y members freely using Radisson as their stomping grounds then you might get some compassion. Nobody has compassion for a liar.

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familiesforreal 3 years ago

billw, First of all the writer of the letter is not an Oak Brook person. When the time comes we will see if a y can be built on Drakes. Seeing the Y said they were going to break ground in fall of 2008, it does not look to good so far for the Y. And actually there is a guarantee of what can be built on land and specifically that land. And yes we moved into radisson because of the rules and regulations, which state it can not be built there. You know, the same ones the Y say they will follow but they have not. Which is what the first lawsuit determined. We have close to 900 signatures, there were 48 homes on Oak Brook at the time, so if you are smart enough to do math, close to 800 signatures came from other areas in Radisson. Lets talk about being gullble, how about the YMCA and the backroom deal they thought they had with the Town. You mention zone change, how can you change 1 small parcel of property to commercial between 3 residential sections? I remember a planning board member stating "spot zoning" is illegal. Lets not forget the NIMBYS on sabin rd. It is right in their backyards.

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bvilledotcom 3 years ago

Yah, yah, yah… Radisson residents against the proposed YMCA location are crybabies, spoiled brats, NIMBYs, etc. Really, who cares that Chris Raddell (RCA BOD president) lives next door to Hal Welsh, an executive at the YMCA…and Raddell’s wife is affiliated with the Y…or that the owner of the research firm that the RCA used to poll Radisson residents is Mark Dengle, Communications Chairperson for…the YMCA. Or that a main builder of the houses in Oakbrook , Dan Barnaba (Eldan Homes), sold the land he was going to build houses on to the YMCA and he was on the Board (at least at the time) of the...you guessed it...YMCA! C-R-O-O-K-E-D. Whether you live in Radisson or not; are for or against where the Y is built; you can’t deny there are some scummy politics (an understatement) going on. Yes, I live in Radisson (not in Oakbrook) and wouldn’t have built OUR house here, either if we knew there was a possibility of a Y being built. Really (again), I’d think everyone else in Baldwinsville (heck, Syracuse and surrounding areas) would be ANGRY that the snooty, snotty rich people in Radisson are getting a “Super Y” in our neighborhood…I mean, how fair is THAT? Why isn’t anyone outside of Radisson ragging on the YMCA to just f-ing build it already on one of the MANY other sites that have been offered/proposed around B’ville?? Seriously, who are the real “spoiled brats” here? (Yep- The Y.) Seriously, unless you paid a lot of (extra) hard-earned money to live in Radisson (we’re not all rich and/or trust fund babies and/or lottery winners here, believe it or not) AND to be subjected to borderline Communistic rules and guidelines, then—sorry—your opinion doesn’t truly matter (even though you are entitled to it). Yes, we, as homeowners in Radisson, were STUPID to buy into (figuratively AND literally) the "vision" of Radisson; however the point that a lot of pro-YMCA people are missing is that the RCA is NOT acting in the best interest of the whole Radisson community. (And yessss, FYI I'm aware that there ARE Radisson residents who want the Y...)

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Radres 2 years, 11 months ago

LOL..."borderline Communistic rules and guidelines". Funny how people move into a community mostly because they like the way it looks and the "forced upkeep" of properties that lead to the community being highly desirable and looking good.....then they complain about having to abide by the very rules that make the environment around them what it is. You are right about the crooked politics, but as with most situations like this, the crookedness is on BOTH sides. Blatent lies and propoganda being spread by the Oak Brook Gang and their lawyers in hopes of getting people with pitchforks and torches to chase the Y away vs. snotty people that "wouldn't build their house in the same town as a Y" vs. people that act as if land bordering Rt 31, the busiest road in the County, is "Radisson sacred residential property" vs. intelligent people that know the traffic impact would be tolerable and that "those people" that are Y members won't interact with Radisson at all and the only impact will be on the homes built by people too dumb to know you shouldn't build your $300,000 McMansion on a street where you could throw a stone and hit a) a major highway and b) vacant land bordering the major highway. I would venture to guess that, as far as land in Radisson goes, Barnaba got those lots for a song because of the undesirable location at the edge of the community....but didn't pass that savings on to homebuyers.

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dianemryan 2 years, 11 months ago

12 years ago, my husband, 2 children & I moved here to Radisson for several reasons. I am a Real Estate Broker so I am very aware of how important it is to maintain property values and how much my neighbors properties can affect my own. So, I was happy to see the RCA rules and regs. here in Radisson. I also wanted a good and healthy environment for my children to grow up in, without the delinquency and crime rates of inner city living. I was shocked that you would even consider allowing an organization that caters to low income, city people into our neighborhood. Our crime rate will sky rocket with those kind of people wandering around. The YMCA owns the ice arena. Why don't they put it over there? Why haven't we heard any talk of this choice? They have already ruined that place for decent kids to go. My friend's son was so disgusted w/ the rampant drug use and sales day & night in the bathrooms there by those teens that he won't even go there anymore. Is that what you want for our teens here in Radisson? If that kind of establishment is allowed in Radisson, you will see our crime rates go up. Do you want to expose our children to the possibility of being raped, assaulted, or turned into drug users & dealers? Trust me! It will happen. Most of the residents of Radisson either have their own gym equipment or belong to commercial gyms. Then there is the matter of our property values plummeting. So much for living in a NICE neighborhood. Please protect our property and our citizens and do whatever you can to block this travesty from infesting our neighborhood. What's next? A homeless shelter & a soup kitchen?

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Radres 2 years, 11 months ago

You MUST be kidding. What a disgusting, ignorant example you are. It is people like YOU that give decent Radisson residents a bad reputation. Hate to burst your ignorant bubble there Diane, but Radisson was designed as a planned community....there are Section 8 apartments all over Radisson....know what that means? (doubt it)...it means there are poor people living practically in your snobby backyard. There are income-adjusted apartments, townhouses, condos, etc all with residents that have the same "rights" to Radisson amenities as ignorant well-off housewives like yourself. LOL, you think "decent Radisson kids" don't "do drugs and deal drugs"....is your last name Ostrich by any chance? Because your head is most certainly buried in the sand. I've reread your pathetic post a number of times and each time it makes my stomach turn more....to think that such a horrific ignorant snob is living anywhere near me makes me ill. Please please move out of Radisson.....we don't need "your type" here.

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gsmds 2 years, 11 months ago

Organization that "caters to low income city people'. Can you say snob? I work 1/2 mile from Y on Wetzel and there is more "non city" middle income business people there than you're dreaded city people.

And are you silly enough that the "city people" will drive to B'ville to go to a Y when they have at least two much closer.

most Radisson people have their own gym equipment or belong to commercial gyms" Yeah like the Y on Wetzel.

I live in Bville,right near Radisson and am frequently through the neighborhood. You obviously live a sheltered life when you say the Y is first and then a homeless shelter and soup kitchen is next. I don't mind people trying to maintain their lifestyle but your arguments are rediculous and are dramatic at best. Your comments like "infestation" remind me of how some races looked at others a few decades ago. Nice to see you think so little of people outide your little protected environment.

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gsmds 2 years, 11 months ago

Diane,allI can say is wow. What a rediculous letter.

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WhatDidYouSay2 2 years, 9 months ago

Dear Diane;

I grew up in Baldwinsville. I went to college (and paid for it myself), and became a professional, I am highly respected, and have a reputation for honesty, compassion, intelligence, and many other traits which I am sure you'd appreciate in a neighbor. I married and had 3 children. Because of circumstances beyond my control, I became a single mom while my children were still small. I raised them, with no help from anyone, to be drug-free and responsible. They went to college and now have their own children who are being brought up to respect authority, be kind, etc.

I now volunteer several hours per week at a place in the city run by (GASP!) black people. The family has an organization that takes care of elderly people, they have a food hand-out for the indigent, and lead respectable, loving, neighborly lives. We are all working to make the world a better place.

I am one of "low income, city people" that you don't want in your neighborhood. I don't drink. I don't smoke. I don't use or sell drugs. I don't even drink coffee. The economy being what it is, I can assure you that people "like us" can't afford the $70+/month the YMCA charges for membership.

Should there ever be a soup kitchen or a homeless shelter in Baldwinsville, I am sure that those homeless and hungry in Baldwinsville would be relieved. Not all homeless people are scum. Not all hungry people are scum. Last time I knew, PEACE in B'ville did a considerable helping-residents-with-food business.

Based on your narrow view of humanity and the world, there are so many things about life that you don't know or understand. Maybe you don't care to know them. I almost feel sorry for you.

Based on your expression of your views, I'm quite sure I'd make a better neighbor than you do. I'm pretty sure I'm a much nicer person. (And I'm pretty sure your neighbors would agree.)

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